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		<title>By: Kobie</title>
		<link>http://sdhdtraining.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/july-23-vaccine-availability/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Kobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laqueta,

   Can you expand on the anxiety and dispair? 

    These same people who feel they can do something about global warming are not sure they can do somethign about H5N1?

    These same people who feel they can do something about world hunger or the killing in Dafur are not sure they can do somethign about H5N1?

     I would like to know more.  Please tell me. 

Regards,
Kobie
&quot;Men are born to succeed, not fail.&quot; Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laqueta,</p>
<p>   Can you expand on the anxiety and dispair? </p>
<p>    These same people who feel they can do something about global warming are not sure they can do somethign about H5N1?</p>
<p>    These same people who feel they can do something about world hunger or the killing in Dafur are not sure they can do somethign about H5N1?</p>
<p>     I would like to know more.  Please tell me. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Kobie<br />
&#8220;Men are born to succeed, not fail.&#8221; Henry David Thoreau (1817 &#8211; 1862)</p>
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		<title>By: Laqueta</title>
		<link>http://sdhdtraining.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/july-23-vaccine-availability/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Laqueta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see so much anxiety and dispair. 

It seems natural that people would do things to prepare, be informed. 
They just dont unless there is some incentive.

I am thankful that we , others, have forthought, interest and ability to place plans into place.

Great information</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see so much anxiety and dispair. </p>
<p>It seems natural that people would do things to prepare, be informed.<br />
They just dont unless there is some incentive.</p>
<p>I am thankful that we , others, have forthought, interest and ability to place plans into place.</p>
<p>Great information</p>
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		<title>By: Kobie</title>
		<link>http://sdhdtraining.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/july-23-vaccine-availability/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Kobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goju, JacksDad,

    You make some good points about NPIs looking like the best bet for wave 1 and wave 2. H5N1 mutates, vaccine effectiveness will not be known till after it is used in mass. Trials are good but only tell part of the story. 

     After watching yesterday&#039;s &quot;Live Response&quot; webcast the first responders could be small chicken farms. If h5N1 comes in on a bird instead of a plane that changes points of infection, quranteen rules, who are first responders, who/what is tracked, the equipment needed, econominc and social impacts. 

     The 8 hour AI course is offered for free, *FREE*, as long as you have 25 or more students. Yes there are hands on parts using PPE and euthanasia equipment.

   Goju, I agree we need to keep the grid up.  I&#039;m not sure how rigid the vaxccine distribution plan is. I hope multiple scenarios are played out so we are not behind the learning curve. 

     Aurora  - very good find. It helps us to know what public opinions doctors, public health and preparation folks are fighting.  There will be people who opt not to get vaccinated. Forced vaccinations sound good but have generated alot of resistance in democratic countries.  North Korea and China may pull it off. 

    Sadly you are right. Alot of PSA stuff is two years old. Last years HHS pandemic blog generated interest by the Ad council but no results.   

   Note: when people say we are fighting a disease that has only affected a few hundred &quot;over there&quot; I reminde them that that is how HIV started out. it only affected a few hundred over there in Africa. I only affected a few hundred over there in France or europe. If HIV had been eradicated over there it would not be world wide now. 

    I also remind them of how they buy winter coats in the summer to prepare for the winter. They buy umbrellas when the sun is shining. They see a doctor before they get sick. 

   The vaccine manufacturing plants are where?

Regards,.
Kobie
&quot;The time to fix a leaky roof is when the sun is shining&quot; J.F. Kennedy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goju, JacksDad,</p>
<p>    You make some good points about NPIs looking like the best bet for wave 1 and wave 2. H5N1 mutates, vaccine effectiveness will not be known till after it is used in mass. Trials are good but only tell part of the story. </p>
<p>     After watching yesterday&#8217;s &#8220;Live Response&#8221; webcast the first responders could be small chicken farms. If h5N1 comes in on a bird instead of a plane that changes points of infection, quranteen rules, who are first responders, who/what is tracked, the equipment needed, econominc and social impacts. </p>
<p>     The 8 hour AI course is offered for free, *FREE*, as long as you have 25 or more students. Yes there are hands on parts using PPE and euthanasia equipment.</p>
<p>   Goju, I agree we need to keep the grid up.  I&#8217;m not sure how rigid the vaxccine distribution plan is. I hope multiple scenarios are played out so we are not behind the learning curve. </p>
<p>     Aurora  &#8211; very good find. It helps us to know what public opinions doctors, public health and preparation folks are fighting.  There will be people who opt not to get vaccinated. Forced vaccinations sound good but have generated alot of resistance in democratic countries.  North Korea and China may pull it off. </p>
<p>    Sadly you are right. Alot of PSA stuff is two years old. Last years HHS pandemic blog generated interest by the Ad council but no results.   </p>
<p>   Note: when people say we are fighting a disease that has only affected a few hundred &#8220;over there&#8221; I reminde them that that is how HIV started out. it only affected a few hundred over there in Africa. I only affected a few hundred over there in France or europe. If HIV had been eradicated over there it would not be world wide now. </p>
<p>    I also remind them of how they buy winter coats in the summer to prepare for the winter. They buy umbrellas when the sun is shining. They see a doctor before they get sick. </p>
<p>   The vaccine manufacturing plants are where?</p>
<p>Regards,.<br />
Kobie<br />
&#8220;The time to fix a leaky roof is when the sun is shining&#8221; J.F. Kennedy</p>
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		<title>By: Goju</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read through the vax priority plan... it is very good. They really listened. There are contingencies for a very severe pandemic.. 2% and way up... see that black arrow pointing straight up!

They have vax manufacturers in a high priority for severe pandemic.

all in all, I am pleased... for once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through the vax priority plan&#8230; it is very good. They really listened. There are contingencies for a very severe pandemic.. 2% and way up&#8230; see that black arrow pointing straight up!</p>
<p>They have vax manufacturers in a high priority for severe pandemic.</p>
<p>all in all, I am pleased&#8230; for once.</p>
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		<title>By: aurora</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were a few comments from people who seemed have some awareness of pandemics, but most were very skeptical. I&#039;ve pulled parts of the comments to give you a sense of where the public is...

medical profession wants you to believe toxic chemicals into your body will help.

This is all about somebody keeping their jobs and funding.

It has been the right wing’s agenda to make the American people afraid of everything, they do this as a control technique

Pandemic flu was the result of illiteracy , poor sanitation and overcrowded cities

The whole thing is crap ! Just take care of your self, avoid crowds, wash your hands

trying to strike fear and panic

there is nothing to worry about if we pray hard enough God will protect us.

What a surprise that this morbid piece of crap is running so close to election to take focus off real issues facing us today and to try and achieve societal paralysis through more fear tactics

the legalized drug pushers disguised as pharmaceutical companies trying to regain some of their lost revenue due to all lawsuits for the drugs they have pushed through that have already caused numerous deaths

THIS IS A RERUN OF THE PAST 2 YEARS

Interesting that they print it in Spanish as well, when most of the illiterate peons who are BRINGING diseases to our country can’t read in their OWN language EITHER!

I am tired of “terror” and “disease” fear atmosphere.

It is a very bad commercial. It completely disregards the fact that in the 51 years since the last “pandemic” we have made numerous advances in medical and social technology. We are cleaner in both personal hygiene and with food preparation, the two biggest factors against any flu.

Should we be all that worried? The poorly cited information on their website isn’t even recent. The most recent “news release” on their site is nearly 2 years old.

This adds up to wasted taxpayer monies. $200,000.00 on a commercial to advertise a disease absent the States and will be prevented due to increased sanitation in years since the outbreak.

Feels like written by a drug co to scare people into getting flu shots, 

If you don’t fall in certain groups, flu shots are overkill.

It there news release in the paper they said the electric will go out. When I ask them why it would go out they did not have any answers

Then lift the ban on DDT and get rid of the virus reservoir and transmitting agent,

Here&#039;s the link  

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/07/21/ddn072108pandemicweb.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a few comments from people who seemed have some awareness of pandemics, but most were very skeptical. I&#8217;ve pulled parts of the comments to give you a sense of where the public is&#8230;</p>
<p>medical profession wants you to believe toxic chemicals into your body will help.</p>
<p>This is all about somebody keeping their jobs and funding.</p>
<p>It has been the right wing’s agenda to make the American people afraid of everything, they do this as a control technique</p>
<p>Pandemic flu was the result of illiteracy , poor sanitation and overcrowded cities</p>
<p>The whole thing is crap ! Just take care of your self, avoid crowds, wash your hands</p>
<p>trying to strike fear and panic</p>
<p>there is nothing to worry about if we pray hard enough God will protect us.</p>
<p>What a surprise that this morbid piece of crap is running so close to election to take focus off real issues facing us today and to try and achieve societal paralysis through more fear tactics</p>
<p>the legalized drug pushers disguised as pharmaceutical companies trying to regain some of their lost revenue due to all lawsuits for the drugs they have pushed through that have already caused numerous deaths</p>
<p>THIS IS A RERUN OF THE PAST 2 YEARS</p>
<p>Interesting that they print it in Spanish as well, when most of the illiterate peons who are BRINGING diseases to our country can’t read in their OWN language EITHER!</p>
<p>I am tired of “terror” and “disease” fear atmosphere.</p>
<p>It is a very bad commercial. It completely disregards the fact that in the 51 years since the last “pandemic” we have made numerous advances in medical and social technology. We are cleaner in both personal hygiene and with food preparation, the two biggest factors against any flu.</p>
<p>Should we be all that worried? The poorly cited information on their website isn’t even recent. The most recent “news release” on their site is nearly 2 years old.</p>
<p>This adds up to wasted taxpayer monies. $200,000.00 on a commercial to advertise a disease absent the States and will be prevented due to increased sanitation in years since the outbreak.</p>
<p>Feels like written by a drug co to scare people into getting flu shots, </p>
<p>If you don’t fall in certain groups, flu shots are overkill.</p>
<p>It there news release in the paper they said the electric will go out. When I ask them why it would go out they did not have any answers</p>
<p>Then lift the ban on DDT and get rid of the virus reservoir and transmitting agent,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/07/21/ddn072108pandemicweb.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/07/21/ddn072108pandemicweb.html</a></p>
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